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How to repair a leaking SCUBA or high pressure air (HPA) tank valve stem o-ring

My 6.8L 300 bar/4,351 PSI Air Marksman tank had a slow leak. How slow? It would lose a few hundred PSI per month so real small and slow. I used the CRC Aerosol Leak detector to track it down. The seal between the 7/8ths inch valve stem and the tank/bottle is accomplished via an O-Ring and it needed to be replaced.

This how-to works in general but the o-ring size will change if your valve neck has a different diameter. Not all brands and tank volumes use the same diameter valve stem.

Removing the valve from the tank

The valve and tank are 7/8ths inch right hand thread. That means you turn left (counter clockwise) to loosen it and right (clockwise) to tighten the valve on the tank.

To remove the valve, you can first see if it will unscrew by hand but usually they are a bit “stuck”. I use a non-marring dead blow hammer to hit the valve and smack it loose. Hit a part of the valve body that sticks out like a lever arm and not knobs or gauges.

On the valve body, I smacked the right side of the valve body and not the fill nipple. I also did not want to hit the gauge.

It should not take very much force to get it to come loose. It’s the “whack” that knocks it loose more than just pure brute force. Think of it this was – the sudden jolt on the valve body knocks it loose while inertia is relatively holding the tank body in place. It’s actually way easier than trying to hold the body and apply a wrench or strap to the valve body.

I used a 2 pound Neiko dead blow hammer. A dead blow hammer is filled with steel shot for weight.They do an excellent job of transferring the force of the hit without scratching or denting the target surface.

The Neiko dead blow hammer knocked it lose very easily. I then unscrewed it the rest of the way by hand.

Here’s the valve stem itself. Note the unknown brown flakes right under the o-ring. I was disappointed by the dirt and debris on the valves tem and the top of the tank.

What size was the o-ring?

Searching on the WWW said to use a size 212 o-ring on a 7/8ths inch valve stem. What you’ll notice in the next photos is that the 212 size o-ring is an approximation of the original. Odds are the Chinese manufacturer of the Air Marksman tank used a different specification but the SAE 212 o-ring will work.

You can see the sizes are slightly different in terms of the thickness and OD. I do want to point out the manufacturing defects with the original o-ring. See the rubber filament pointing into the inner area of the o-ring? There were multiple filaments at different places on the o-ring.

When I removed the o-ring I noticed the o-ring had a number of filaments left over from manufacturing. In theory these remnants from manufacturing an cause imperfect seals.

This is an example of the several filaments on the o-ring.

It took some digging to find out the size and specification I needed:

  • Material: Buna-N — need a resistance to chemicals
  • Inside Diameter (ID): 7/8″Nominal and 0.859″ Actual – the 7/8ths inch (ID) matches with the valve stem’s outer diamter (OD)
  • Outside Diameter: 1-1/8″ Nominal and 1.149″ Actual – this needs to fit in the pocket the o-ring sits in and the tank has pletty of room for this.
  • Thickness: 1/8″ Nominal and 0.139″ Actual — this is diameter of the o-ring’s rubber.
  • Hardness: 90A — it needs to be firm enough that the high-pressure air doesn’t litterally push it out of position. 90A is hard enough to stay put.
  • O-Ring Number Designator: 212 — these numbers are defined by Aerospace Standard AS568B, Aerospace Size Standard for O-rings and is published by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). This is an American standard and other countries and the ISO have other specifications.

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Reassembly

I wish I had taken a before and after photo of the pocket where the oring sits. It was filthy and I wiped it down with a paper towel before I took this next photo.

This photo was after I cleaned it up. I had already applied a very light film of silicone o-ring grease also.

Speaking of o-ring grease, absolutely use a quality silicone based grease and I would recommend one formulated for o-rings. I use Super Lube’s o-ring grease and it works great. The grease lubricates the o-ring so the parts slide around it during reassembly and it doesn’t tear. A film on the threads helps prevent seizing and corrosion.

Note: NEVER use petroleum grease or the high pressure air can cause it to ignite like in a diesel engine.

I use Super Lube brand o-ring grease. I tub like this will last a very long time. Just keep it clean and the lid on when not in use.

I carefully threaded the valve stem back into the tank and it turned very easily. I brought it down snug by hand and added a about an eigth to a quarter turn with the dead blow hammer. If it feels like it is firm then stop – you don’t need excessive force.

In theory, it is ready to fill but we want to test that. I like to add a 100 bar, stop and watch the pressure gauge for an hour. Why? Well, it takes a long time with a home compressor like my GX CS4 unit to fill a 6.8 liter tank. I’d rather fill it part way and watch vs. wasting extra time on the pump just to find out the leak was still there.

Here’s my GX CS4 compressor doing it’s thing. I use the small inline filter as a first stage to get rid of moisure and the big blue filter for final cleaning. I initially use a dead-head plug to make sure everything is sealed properly before I start filling the tank. It is so easy to have a leak at a quick connect that I make sure stuff is sealed first, then I connect the final hose head while making sure there is no movement of the other components.

So, I filled to 100, watched and everything was okay. I then went to 200 and watched. Finally I went to 300 and watched. None of my gauges agree with each other so I get at or close to 300 bar on the highest-reading gauge and call it done. To explain that, I have gauges on my pump, on the fill port side of the valve and one on the tank side. Whichever hits 300 first I stop at just to be safe. Yes, the tank should be able to handle way past its working rated pressure of 300 bar / 4,351 PSI but I don’t see any point in pushing it and finding out from a safety perspective.

I watched the gauge for two days with no movement. I literally take a photo to compare over time.

The link appears to be gone but I can’t tell you for sure if it was the o-ring with its filaments causing imperfect seals or the dirty condition of the pocket where the o-ring sits on the tank – or maybe even a combination – but it’s not leaking.

Summary

My Air Marksman tank was leaking around the valve stem through some combination of defective o-ring and debrise/dirt during assembly. I cleaned all the surfaces, applied a light film of o-ring grease on the surfaces including on the new o-ring and re-installed the valve on the tank. Problem solved.

Note: We do sell the o-rings in our store if you are interested. Click here.