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Range Results for the Sabatti .308 Urban Sniper – Most Impressive

In my last post, I discussed mounting the Vortex scope and tailoring a Plano hard case for my .308 Sabatti Urban Sniper.  This last post in the series is about my trip to the range with it.  I went to the range with high hopes – by all accounts it should sub minute of angle, meaning under one inch at a hundred yards.  In short, it delivered.

I’d already shot a few rounds through the rifle at a quarry but couldn’t really shoot for accuracy.  We put about 10 rounds through it.  To shoot it from a bench, I took the Sabatti to the Berrien County Sportsman’s Club’s 100 yard rifle range and set up.  I’d already cleaned it the night before to get ready and it was a fine Michigan fall day to do some shooting.

The rifle is being held by a Caldwell’s “The Rock” rest.  I really like it.  First off it is way heavier than my old Caldwell rest and second it is adjusts very smoothly as you are trying to dial the rifle in.

The buttstock is held by Caldwell’s Universal Rear Shooting Bag and I bought it filled.  They have on that is unfilled if you prefer to use your own material and also determine how full to make it.

For hearing protection, I switched to Honeywell’s Howard Leight electronic earmuffs and absolutely love them.  The reason is simple, my hearing is horrible – I sure wish I knew to protect my hearing when I was younger and am paying for it now.  When I wear traditional earmuffs, I can’t hear anyone talk.  With these, you can turn them on, set whatever amplification you want and they automatically turn off when you shoot.

This means I can hear folks talk around me without needing to pull off the earmuffs.  I have used these extensively this summer with 9mm, .40, 10mm, 5.56, .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum and use them exclusively now.

I bought a carry case to hold them and my shooting glasses that has worked out really well.

Note, because I wear prescription glasses, I wear No Cry brand “Over spec” safety glasses that fit over my glasses.  They fit well and I store them in the above case also.

For targets, I started with a big 18×24 Splatterburst target as I dialed the scope in better and then I broke out some smaller Orange Peel targets with four circles per 8.5×11 page.

I did the sighting in with the balance of the Hornady ammo and then settled in to test with Federal 168 and 175 grain BTHP Match ammo as well as Remington 168 grain BTHP match ammo,

A problem popped up at this point that I did not expect, a slight wind had picked up and was causing the target holder to sway back and forth a bit.  I’m sure it affected results a bit but it’s hard to say how much – I think the results are pretty darned good.

For each type of ammo, I would let the rifle cool down to ambient temperature and then fire two five round groups, let it cool and then the final two groups.  Yes, I intentionally let it heat up and I did not clean the barrel at all during this range session – it was cleaned prior to the session.

Here are the results:

Federal 168 grain BTHP Match

This is the only one where I only fired three groups.  I ran out of Hornady ammo while sighting in, switched to Federal and then set up the targets once the rifle was ready to go.

The three groups are: 1″, 0.54″ and 0.84″.  The odd bullet hole at the top right was from when I was setting up – it was not part of the five shot group.  The average here is 0.793″ — that’s pretty good.

Federal 175gr BTHP Match

Here are four groups:  1.37″, 0.97″, 1.1″ an 0.81″.  The average here is 1.06″.  Both the A and C targets look like I had a flier as part of the group.  In other words, I bet it was me making a mistake vs. the rifle or the ammo.

Remington 168gr BHTP Match

The Remington ammo was shot on two targets because I had an oddball hole from when I was setting up. — The groups are:  0.75″, 0.82″, 0.82″ and 0.76″.  The average was 0.79″ — the winner for smallest group.

I asked Justin Todd, with Italian Firearms Groups (IFG) what he heard about accuracy.  He said my results are very typical and he knows handloaders who are getting 0.15-0.25″ groups.

Tell you what, I really liked the rifle.  It had mild recoil due to the effective brake.  The trigger was really nice at 3-1/8″ pounds and the bolt cycles easily.  I did not have any problems with reliability and the accuracy sure is there.

If you are looking for a solid tactical rifle to engage targets within 400 meters, I really think you ought to give the Sabatti Urban Sniper a serious look and consider pairing it with a good scope like I did with the Vortex PST.


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Installing the Vortex Scope and Making the Plano Case for the Sabatti Urban Sniper

In my previous post, I gave you my out of the box impressions of the Sabatti .308 Urban Sniper.  In this post, I’ll give you an overview of the scope I went with, mounting it and the Plano hardcase.

A Vortex 3-15×44 FFP Scope and PMR Rings

I contacted Travis Boran, a fellow I have grown to respect over the years at Vortex Optics.  I told him about my plans and asked what scope he would recommend for a precision .308 rifle that was to be used within 400 meters.  My first thought was to get another PST scope and Travis recommended that I go with the new 3-15×44 Front Focal Plane (FFP) second generation scope.  PST scopes are built like tanks so that sounded good to me.

Travis always asks if I want a Minute of Angle (MOA) or Mil-Radian (MRAD) reticle.  I understand the MRAD system and stuck with that.  They have a really cool reticle for the scope known as the EBR-2C.  What I like is that it looks like a Christmas tree and as you get near the bottom it has marks for the offset right there.

The above illustration was graciously provided to me by Vortex and Vortex provides an excellent guide on how to use the EMR-2C reticle.

I paired the scope with Vortex Precision Series rings – PMR-30-126.  They are for 30mm tubes and are 1.26″/32mm high.  In other words, they hold the center of the scope 1.26″ inches off the base.   My goal is to get the scope as close to the bore as possible to reduce parallax plus the PMR rings have some advantages:

  1. They are machined as a pair and are held to a 0.0005″ tolerance.  No need to do hand lapping to get a precise fit.
  2. They can be torqued down to spec.  The base clamp screws are 45-50 in/lbs and the ring screws are at 15-18 in/lbs.  The reason so many cheap rings lack torque specs is because they simply threaded soft aluminum and they will strip out.
  3. They are beautifully finished with a Type 3 Hardcoat.

You have so see and use a pair to get an idea how slick these are.  I switched to Vortex precision rings in 2017 and have never regretted it.  I also always use their offset mounts on my AR-optics too.

Mounting the Scope

I placed the Urban Sniper in my Tipton “Best Gun Vise”.  Yeah, the name makes me choke a bit but I actually really like it.  It’s a work stand with an adjustable clamp for the buttstock that lets you adjust the hold on the rifle until the top rail is flat/horizontal per a level.

This is where a photo would really be nice but the two I took turned out to be out of focus.  Let me try and explain what I do.  I use a Wheeler Scope Leveling System.  It is very simple and contains two parts.  The first is a simple flat bottomed level that you put on the base while you adjust the vise until the rifle is level.

Next, to ensure it stays level, you attach the barrel mounted level and true it up with the other level.  At this point, both levels should be saying the same thing – that the rifle is level.  You then remove the little level from the base and install the rings.

To install the rings, I use a Vortex torque driver.  I actually wrote a post up on his model because I am so impressed.  They are  a quality calibrated instrument that performs excellently.

I use the driver to tighten the base down to 45 in/lbs first.  I then set the scope on the rings and install the top parts of the rings /the caps very lightly so I can still move the scope with just a little effort.  I then make sure I have the eye relief right when I bring the rifle up to my shoulder.  I then make sure the rifle is level again based on the Wheeler level on the barrel.

I then put the small level from Wheeler on the top scope elevation knob and adjust the scope left or right until the scope level and the barrel level match.  Once it is good to go, I torque the ring screws down to 15 in/lbs.  Call me paranoid but I target the lower end of the spec on all of the screws – base clamp and caps.  I’ve not had a set shoot loose yet doing this and I’ve done this on 5.56, .308 and .338LM rifles.

In this next photo you can see the scope installed with the Vortex Defender lens caps.  You can also see that my shop really needs a good cleaning as I have a ton of junk on my bench.

Plano All Weather Case – Model 108180

Egg crate foam requires no fitting but I really do not trust it to protect a heavy precision rifle.  I can’t tell you how many times over the years I have dropped a case with the egg crate style foam and then found the rifle and other accessories had all shifted/slammed down in the direction of the drop.  Thus, I don’t use it any longer instead opting for custom fitted hard cases.

I go back and forth on two styles – foam that requires cutting or pluckable.  To be honest, I think the foam that requires cutting (or melting if you have a hot wire system which I do) is the best.  Pluckable foam is pre-scored to be pulled, or plucked, out to fit the contents of the case.  The problem with it is that even if you use a spray adhesive to secure it to the bottom of the case, it wears at the top as the weapon and accessories hit the edges when they are placed in the case.  You can’t make it as tight fitting as a result.  On the plus side, a pluckable case is easy and fast to do.

With that said, I’ve been using Plano cases for the last few years.  They are less expensive than a Pelican case and, if you want my honest opinion, Plano has really upped their game in terms of turning out some very rugged cases.

I purchased a Plano All Weather model 108180 in green.  The green was partly to pay homage to the original green hardcase the rifle came in from Sabatti and also to help me visually spot it quickly.  When you have a bunch of black cases, life can get interesting.

External case dimensions are:  54.625″ x 15,5″ x 6″

Interior case dimensions are:  51.5″ x 12.63″ x 5.25″

The All Weather series have pluckable foam, a gasket to help keep out water, and wheels on one end for pulling it.

These are solid cases.  My intent in explaining the shortcomings of pluckable foam was for you to know the pro and the con.  You’ll note that I did buy this case for this rifle — end of the day, it is a quick way to build a pretty good case to protect your rifle and scope.

Next Up Was to Fit the Plano Case

Okay, most pluckable foam cases have three layers – an egg crate top, a pluckable middle and a foam bottom.  We will be working on the middle piece and do note you can order replacement foam should you ever need to.

I lay things out that I want in the case in a mirror image.  I really want the scope to be located at the top by the carry handle vs. down by the ground.  The rationale is that the scope will take less stress this was as we usually set a case down on the hinged “bottom” and not on the top with the handle.

I also like to have a spare magazine, the bipod, ammo and space for any special tools, batteries for the scope, etc.  My first aim in the layout is to try and keep the rifle as far away from the sides as I can.  As you can see in this case, the fit is pretty close and I don’t have as much spare room as I would like at the top of the scope but I still think it will be protected.

Again, this is a mirror layout so that I can pluck out the foam and not worry about the permanent marker lines being left behind.  I needed to remember the wheel cutouts were there also.

So once you have your lines drawn, you start pulling the scored little rectangular sections out.  I use a small razor blade box cutter on any that don’t want to pull apart the way I want them to.

I always draw my lines and then pluck tight.  You can always remove more if you need to.  You need to test your fit several times to make sure you have it just right.

I then take the insert outside and carefully make sure I spray adhesive on the side that is going down.  Notice how I point that out!  Guess who did the wrong side once years ago 🙂

I spray a heavy coat of adhesive on the insert and the parts of the lower piece that will not be exposed.  Note that I use 3M Super 77 Spray Adhesive.  It was recommended to me years ago and I have used it ever since to bond case foams together.

If you need to remove overspray, use mineral spirits, Goo Gone, turpentine, etc. before it dries.  I wear nitrile gloves when spraying to avoid getting my hands sticky.

Follow the recommendations on the can.  You want to let the stuff get tacky then carefully reinsert the foam into the case.  Watch the orientation!! Don’t put it in facing the wrong way.  Also, don’t worry about adhesive getting in the wrong place – just clean it up as mentioned above.  The stuff sets quickly but takes a while to cure.

Let it dry overnight or longer if cooler.  I can pretty much guarantee you will have some stick on your rifle, etc.  If you do, it will come off with the aforementioned solvents plus stuff like penetrating oil, etc.  I would not put oil on the foam so I didn’t mention it earlier.

So that’s it.  Now I bet you are wondering how it shoots.  It’s very impressive and we’ll talk about that in the next post.


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Vortex Optics Viper PST Gen II 3-15×44 FFP Riflescope EBR-2C MRAD (Sports)

Vortex Viper PST 3-15×44 EBR-2C MRAD Scope PST-3158

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The Remarkable Sabatti Urban Sniper – An Affordable Compact Sub-MOA Rifle

It’s interesting that a 400+ year old Italian firearms company is relatively unknown in the United States.  In the early 1700s, Mr. Ludovico Sabatti was making flint lock pistols and barrels.  Subsequent generations developed specialized barrel making capabilities as well as other parts.  It’s worth noting this history – they have been making barrels for four hundred years!!

Following WWII, Antonio Sabatti formed a partnershp with Giuseppe Tanfoglio to make hunting arms and began to build semi-automatic pistols in 1956.  By 1960, the two parted ways and the children of Antonio Sabatti formed what would become Sabatti today based in Trompia, Italy.

Today, Sabatti makes a wide range of firearms for target shooting, hunting. upland game and competition plus some niche tactical rifles including the Urban Sniper that will be covered in this post.

Italian Firearms Group

Of course, when you have a foreign manufacturer such as Sabatti, you need an importer and that’s where the Italian Firearms Group (IFG) enters into the picture.  IFG was created in 2014 and represents four respected Italian gunmakers – F.A.I.R, Sabatti, Pedersoli and FT Italia.

I spoke with Justin Dodd, IFG’s Chief of Operations about their philosophy.  He related to be that the US partners came out of the oil field service industry where customer service meant everything.  It is critical to them to bring “…unprecedented levels of customer service to this industry – something we felt the industry as a whole was lacking.”  I think most of us can readily agree with Justin on that – the US firearms industry is not known for great customer service in  general.

I asked him what brought Sabatti to their attention.  It turns out that Sabatti and the other three gun makers listed above were looking to create a sales, service and support hub in the USA.  For Justin personally, the double express rifles in 450/400, 450, 470 and 500 NE were the initial draw.

Of course, I had to ask Justin why the Sabatti name was not better known in the US.  His reply struck me as very pragmatic – “The past few years have been spent making sure the guns met with the USA’s standards.  Historically, they have done quite well with their rifles in Europe but the features on those rifles did not sit well with the US consumer.  For example, we started threading muzzles, shortening barrels, adding more US styled features like bolt knobs, sling swivel cups, and switching to the new bottom metal / magazine system.    Now that the guns are where we want them, the marketing push will begin.”

The Urban Sniper

What caught my eye was a product announcement for their Urban Sniper rifle.  It is a relatively compact rifle at 41-3/4″ overall, is chambered in .308 and 6.5 Creedmor and claimed sub-MOA accuracy from a 20″ (510mm) barrel.  They claimed to be using a proprietary rifling method known as “Multi Radial Rifling” (MRR).  Sabatti also said it was intended for use within 400mm.

My very next thought was “what the heck is MRR”?  So I started digging on the WWW and found numerous posts and attempts at explaining it.  Justin finally helped me sort it out – imagine polygonal rifling but without the points – that gives you an idea now let’s look at a cross-section of a barrel in a photo Justin sent me:

 

Sabatti also produced a PDF explaining MRR and how to care for it.  Their claims are pretty big.  Sabatti says that MRR enables:

  • HIGHER BULLET SPEED
  • IMPROVED GROUP CONCENTRATION
  • REDUCED NUMBER OF FLIERS
  • LESS COPPER DEPOSITS
  • LESS CLEANING REQUIRED
  • EASIER CLEANING WHEN NEEDED
  •  LESS BARREL WEAR

To make a long story short, I bought an Urban Sniper in .308 because I have quite a bit of .308 match ammo to try it out including rounds from Federal and Remington.

A tad over a week later it arrived and in typical George (me) fashion, I got derailed and the rifle had to sit until I could get to it.  In the next post, I’ll tell you more about the rifle and my impressions when I took it out of the box.


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Vortex Optics Viper PST Gen II 3-15×44 FFP Riflescope EBR-2C MRAD (Sports)

Vortex Viper PST 3-15×44 EBR-2C MRAD Scope PST-3158

Features: 

  • The Viper PST Gen II takes incredible performance and rock solid tactical features to new heights. The 3-15×44 first focal plane riflescope is incredibly versatile and ideal for close to long range shooting scenarios.
  • Shooters who dial their turrets for bullet drop and wind compensation will appreciate the laser etched turrets, adjustable parallax and the RZR zero stop. A fiber optic rotation indicator ensures you can keep track of your turret position with ease.
  • The reticle offers shooters highly functional, intuitive, and detailed hold points, yet remains uncluttered for optimal viewing and features 10 intensity levels with off positions between each setting.
  • Extra-low dispersion glass increases resolution and color fidelity. XR fully multi-coated lenses increase light transmission. Armortek coatings protect the lenses from scratches, oil, and dirt.
  • O-ring sealed and argon purged, the Viper delivers waterproof and fogproof performance while the single-piece, aircraft-grade aluminum construction gives shooters a durable platform.

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